One way to look at this would be to see the Heineken Cup results at Pool play. The Pool leaders are Toulon, Toulouse, Clermont Auvergne, plus the three Irish teams, Leinster, Ulster and Munster. There are, however, 5 English teams in second spot coming out of the pools (Northants, Saracens, Quins, Leicester and Gloucester), so maybe - on a head-to-head basis across European rugby, there's not a great deal to choose between the French ad English Clubs. Mark L.